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		<title>By: Wnt</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-3180</link>
		<dc:creator>Wnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the narrow view, we need to stay clear that a web URL is a _public_ identifier.  It&#039;s obviously intolerable to have people telling you that a URL is actually secret, and that following it will get you prosecuted.  The short term problem is that some idiot website could have a system where you go to ../doofus.php&amp;username=Bozo&amp;password=Password , and is that a URL or a passage of parameters?  It is possible to muddy the waters this way.

The long-term issue is more fundamental: laws against hacking were the first defilement of the internet, the first intrusion against freedom of speech.  They are far worse than useless - they&#039;ve helped create an environment where it is NORMAL for ordinary people to have PCs infected by botnets controlled by the Russian Mafia.  On a more elite level, websites like the one &quot;weev&quot; visited are surely being visited by Chinese with a keen eye for business, who will take this data, use it to trounce them in the marketplace, and never a word will be said about it.  That&#039;s what happens when people put their faith in censorship instead of open and vigorous discussion.

Beijing eventually let Ai Weiwei have a partial return to normal life - is the U.S. willing to match their moves toward civil liberties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the narrow view, we need to stay clear that a web URL is a _public_ identifier.  It&#8217;s obviously intolerable to have people telling you that a URL is actually secret, and that following it will get you prosecuted.  The short term problem is that some idiot website could have a system where you go to ../doofus.php&amp;username=Bozo&amp;password=Password , and is that a URL or a passage of parameters?  It is possible to muddy the waters this way.</p>
<p>The long-term issue is more fundamental: laws against hacking were the first defilement of the internet, the first intrusion against freedom of speech.  They are far worse than useless &#8211; they&#8217;ve helped create an environment where it is NORMAL for ordinary people to have PCs infected by botnets controlled by the Russian Mafia.  On a more elite level, websites like the one &#8220;weev&#8221; visited are surely being visited by Chinese with a keen eye for business, who will take this data, use it to trounce them in the marketplace, and never a word will be said about it.  That&#8217;s what happens when people put their faith in censorship instead of open and vigorous discussion.</p>
<p>Beijing eventually let Ai Weiwei have a partial return to normal life &#8211; is the U.S. willing to match their moves toward civil liberties?</p>
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		<title>By: FPU4eva</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2653</link>
		<dc:creator>FPU4eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 01:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that you should contact the ACLU they helped me out when my Christiansen school had a bible study during class</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second that you should contact the ACLU they helped me out when my Christiansen school had a bible study during class</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2342</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, yes he should. These are constitutional rights he&#039;s talking about - no matter what he&#039;s done, they should remain untouched. None of us are in any position to know with absolute certainty even the tiniest fragment of the &quot;whole story&quot; - without wishing to be condescending, I&#039;m sure many people lack the technological expertise to understand the process of information collection that he describes, me included. And as he says, there is nothing wrong or illegal with data scraping. It is AT&amp;T&#039;s responsibility to protect the data and they failed spectacularly - you cannot possibly expect black hats to just ignore a vulnerability such as Weev described, because they won&#039;t.

I couldn&#039;t care less if Weev broke the law into a thousand pieces, he deserves his rights regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, yes he should. These are constitutional rights he&#8217;s talking about &#8211; no matter what he&#8217;s done, they should remain untouched. None of us are in any position to know with absolute certainty even the tiniest fragment of the &#8220;whole story&#8221; &#8211; without wishing to be condescending, I&#8217;m sure many people lack the technological expertise to understand the process of information collection that he describes, me included. And as he says, there is nothing wrong or illegal with data scraping. It is AT&amp;T&#8217;s responsibility to protect the data and they failed spectacularly &#8211; you cannot possibly expect black hats to just ignore a vulnerability such as Weev described, because they won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less if Weev broke the law into a thousand pieces, he deserves his rights regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Kaiser</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2167</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No information was stolen, nor was it posted online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No information was stolen, nor was it posted online.</p>
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		<title>By: michael3ov</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>michael3ov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teenage angst? To young to understand the realities of the world? I was there once and then I learned about reality and grew up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teenage angst? To young to understand the realities of the world? I was there once and then I learned about reality and grew up.</p>
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		<title>By: michael3ov</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>michael3ov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah stealing the information of 3 million at+t users and posting it online makes him a wonderful young man. Or did you not know about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah stealing the information of 3 million at+t users and posting it online makes him a wonderful young man. Or did you not know about that?</p>
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		<title>By: michael3ov</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>michael3ov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He shouldn&#039;t really get any help. To be honest he deserves what is happening. Not because of his views but because of his crimes. He isn&#039;t exactly telling the whole story here. Thats why the EFF won&#039;t take his case. Things like stealing 3 million users account information isn&#039;t free speech. Weev isn&#039;t exactly innocent here. I support some of the things he says but he is guilty as sin. He is also schizophrenic and thinks he is hacking for God. Come on people the man is crazy as hell. Yeah stealing the information of 3 million at+t users and posting it online makes him a wonderful young man. Or did you not know about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He shouldn&#8217;t really get any help. To be honest he deserves what is happening. Not because of his views but because of his crimes. He isn&#8217;t exactly telling the whole story here. Thats why the EFF won&#8217;t take his case. Things like stealing 3 million users account information isn&#8217;t free speech. Weev isn&#8217;t exactly innocent here. I support some of the things he says but he is guilty as sin. He is also schizophrenic and thinks he is hacking for God. Come on people the man is crazy as hell. Yeah stealing the information of 3 million at+t users and posting it online makes him a wonderful young man. Or did you not know about that?</p>
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		<title>By: michael3ov</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>michael3ov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He shouldn&#039;t really get any help. To be honest he deserves what is happening. Not because of his views but because of his crimes. He isn&#039;t exactly telling the whole story here. Thats why the EFF won&#039;t take his case. Things like stealing 3 million users account information isn&#039;t free speech. Weev isn&#039;t exactly innocent here. I support some of the things he says but he is guilty as sin. He is also schizophrenic and thinks he is hacking for God. Come on people the man is crazy as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He shouldn&#8217;t really get any help. To be honest he deserves what is happening. Not because of his views but because of his crimes. He isn&#8217;t exactly telling the whole story here. Thats why the EFF won&#8217;t take his case. Things like stealing 3 million users account information isn&#8217;t free speech. Weev isn&#8217;t exactly innocent here. I support some of the things he says but he is guilty as sin. He is also schizophrenic and thinks he is hacking for God. Come on people the man is crazy as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: michael3ov</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>michael3ov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He shouldn&#039;t really get any help. To be honest he deserves what is happening. Not because of his views but because of his crimes. He isn&#039;t exactly telling the whole story here. Thats why the EFF won&#039;t take his case. Things like stealing 3 million users account information isn&#039;t free speech. Weev isn&#039;t exactly innocent here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He shouldn&#8217;t really get any help. To be honest he deserves what is happening. Not because of his views but because of his crimes. He isn&#8217;t exactly telling the whole story here. Thats why the EFF won&#8217;t take his case. Things like stealing 3 million users account information isn&#8217;t free speech. Weev isn&#8217;t exactly innocent here.</p>
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		<title>By: michael3ov</title>
		<link>http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>michael3ov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut up troll scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shut up troll scum.</p>
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